15 comments

  • tejtm 19 hours ago
  • whatsakandr 18 hours ago
    This headline is wrong. This has nothing to do with thermal cameras. It's "cloaking" by making it appear to have the same bulk thermal properties as it's surroundings.
    • schiffern 17 hours ago
      Yes. Unfortunately many people are reading this thinking it's a FLIR invisibility cloak.

      FYI Ukraine already has FLIR invisibility cloaks (fancy camo space blankets): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfdF3iIwoX4

      This is thermal cloak, explained here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CM2RJi4mRZ0&t=52s

      Notably it only works after the heat flow settles back down to equilibrium. If you're moving, it doesn't work.

      • simonh 6 hours ago
        There are loads of videos of Ukrainian FPV drones with thermal cameras hunting Russians trying to hide using something like space blankets. The blankets work up to a point, if the target were completely covered they would be hard to spot, but if parts of the soldier are not covered or are revealed during movement, it doesn't work out well for the target.

        The videos remind me of the scene in Dune where Paul is hiding from the hunter-seeker that tracks based on movement.

      • natpalmer1776 16 hours ago
        Which seems like it would be good for fixed installations that need to remain undetected, no?
        • schiffern 15 hours ago
          The other caveat is that it only works if you're embedded inside a solid object. ;)

          If you're in free space, the surface can't shine its IR differently in different directions, so under FLIR it will just look like the average ambient temperature. This is no better than existing (cheap and light) space blanket camo systems.

          • petsfed 1 hour ago
            The main problem with space blankets is that they eventually heat up. So they only work for a little while, and then have to re-equilibrate back to ambient, then you put them back on, then take off to re-equilibrate...

            So this new tech appears to overcome that shortcoming, for static objects.

          • m4rtink 3 hours ago
            Well, could be still useful for hiding things in bulk materials ?

            From scientific uses (sensors, cables or supports not disrupting experiments) to smuggling/hiding listening devices/trackers or boobytraps in bulk shipments, etc.

        • giantg2 6 hours ago
          More likely craft looking to reduce heat seeking missles or detection. Think better heat diffusion on helicopter or tank exhaust. Fixed installations would use thermal nets or space blankets.
      • inSumErgoCogito 9 hours ago
        So a "heatpump cooling", store concentrated heat and inject it into the ground would work much better?
    • BugsJustFindMe 39 minutes ago
      > It's "cloaking" by making it appear to have the same bulk thermal properties as it's surroundings.

      I'm not sure what you think the difference is?

  • AuthAuth 18 hours ago
    This is gonna be going straight to Ukraine
  • sebstefan 16 hours ago
    > Although the current cloak represents a major advance, the researchers want to develop more sophisticated versions capable of performing additional functions. One particularly important goal is to conceal objects that produce heat themselves

    I read the entire thing thinking it could cloak a soldier

    • scotty79 14 hours ago
      It could cloak a well insulated soldier from being a dark spot on the background.
  • nickandbro 12 hours ago
    I believe the Russians tried something similar in Ukraine with cloaking themselves to fool infrared drones.
    • qlte 12 hours ago
      Using 50 cent Mylar blankets which ... did not work like they hoped from the videos I've seen.
      • fwip 1 hour ago
        I mean, you're not gonna see the videos in which they did work.
  • bitwize 10 hours ago
    We have AIs hacking people's computers and brains, and now we have the Major's thermo-optic camouflage. They were right to keep the newest Ghost in the Shell set in 2029-2030. Seems like it's right on time.
  • tescreal 17 hours ago
    Next cyberpunk wizpop toy: thermoptic cameoflage.

    The future is turning out to be fascinating as concerning.

  • nxobject 17 hours ago
    A Faraday for heat, eh?
  • dalmo3 16 hours ago
    I've always wanted to hide apples inside pears.
  • jagged-chisel 18 hours ago
    Does this work for things that emit heat?
    • thenthenthen 17 hours ago
      The article mentions thats the next step
    • SeanAnderson 18 hours ago
      Doesn't everything emit heat? :)
      • chorsestudios 14 hours ago
        no, the vacuum of space does not emit heat
        • antonvs 9 hours ago
          Interstellar space behaves as an almost perfect blackbody radiator, at a temperature of 2.725 Kelvin, due to the cosmic microwave background. As such, it does "emit heat", albeit an extremely small, but measurable amount.
    • glitchc 18 hours ago
      Let me answer your question with a question: Does the infrared camera detect emitted heat?
      • jagged-chisel 15 hours ago
        Generally? Yes.

        In this case? No idea.

      • antonvs 9 hours ago
        Not clear where your question is coming from, but it detects heat that's emitted as infrared radiation.
  • computemachines 12 hours ago
    Maybe this could be used to hide a cold spot from a wafer bake pin.
  • graboy 18 hours ago
    Wow, a blanket!
    • thenthenthen 17 hours ago
      More like an iron maiden
    • scotty79 14 hours ago
      When you cover yourself with the blanket, others see the blanket. When you cover yourself with this, others see background.
  • vivzkestrel 14 hours ago
    - future soldier 2 loading....
  • bamboozled 17 hours ago
    Bad luck skynet
    • keyle 17 hours ago
      And that Predator monster!
  • SV_BubbleTime 19 hours ago
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    • jdlshore 19 hours ago
      Is dismissing people’s work so rudely how you make yourself feel superior?
      • thin_carapace 19 hours ago
        that guy taught me something new about glass in a snarky fashion , while you delivered pure snark. no comment to add, merely an observation
    • tarpitt 19 hours ago
      you can't make a drone entirely out of glass
      • onion2k 19 hours ago
        Can you fly a drone that's covered with a cloak?
        • mrandish 18 hours ago
          Probably not very well if the drone is the typical (quad)copter type since the shield will likely obstruct the airflow from the propellers reducing lift. The added weight of the shield is also likely to be a problem in small drones as most are already weight constrained. Although in small electric copters like those used in Ukraine, I'm not sure how often thermal imaging is used as a primary detection vector (due to size, distance and daytime thermal delta from below).

          Thermal is definitely a primary vector in detecting larger drones like the Reaper due to large combustion or jet engines, but in that case the challenge isn't cloaking the drone, it's cloaking the heat of the vented exhaust that's likely leaving a thermal 'contrail' across the sky.