Sales of sub-€25,000 electric car models set to rise sevenfold

(transportenvironment.org)

35 points | by geox 1 hour ago

8 comments

  • Someone 1 minute ago
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  • pugz 25 minutes ago
    €25,000 is still pricey. The BYD Atto 1 recently dropped to AU$19,990 in Australia, which is €12,412. I think it will be hugely popular at this price point.
    • cjs_ac 10 minutes ago
      Cars are just more expensive in Europe than in Australia. In Europe, cars are still a bit of a luxury, whereas in Australia, they’re an absolute necessity.
      • pjc50 5 minutes ago
        Isn't it just different levels of import duty and/or proximity to China?

        (normally something being essential drives the price up)

      • ReptileMan 3 minutes ago
        Interesting in which part of Europe are you living to make such a statement for the bit of luxury. The only country I could think of is the Netherlands and probably Belgium.
    • Hamuko 5 minutes ago
      Volkswagen Golf starts at 32 706 € here. BYD Dolphin Surf, the cheapest car BYD offers, starts at 24 590 €.
      • ReptileMan 2 minutes ago
        You know the old joke - I don't have to outrun the bear, need to outrun you. China's companies goal is to keep their cars 10% cheaper than the locals.
        • Hamuko 0 minutes ago
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    • esseph 19 minutes ago
      I can't imagine a car selling for that price in the US. :(
  • orwin 41 minutes ago
    My mother do not move more than 100km a day anymore (and even that is a stretch, I think the most she drive is to the beach 25 km away), but 25k€ is a very big investment. She recently bought a second hand electric car for 9k€ and is very happy with it.
    • aacid 20 minutes ago
      New car is always a big investment, second hand is the way. 25k car will be even cheaper in few years.
      • pjc50 3 minutes ago
        There's a bit of a problem that secondhand EVs aren't on the market until a couple of years after someone has bought them new. So there's a bottleneck. In this case all the cheap leasing deals work in favor of the eventual secondhand market.
    • soco 0 minutes ago
      I was shocked at the thought of having to move "only" 100km a day... we are living in such different worlds. And yes I do commute, but by public transport and less than 30km away and definitely not every day.
  • edent 39 minutes ago
    I just want a two-seater EV. The Smart ForTwo hasn't been updated in ages and the only other ones are either quadracycles of vapourware.

    Where are the runarounds for people who don't need to lug around kids or baggage?

    • zdragnar 4 minutes ago
      Crash safety design features are a decent contributor to cost. I suspect manufacturers think shrinking the frame a bit, removing two doors and back seat won't drop the cost enough to convince people to buy them.
    • pqb 36 minutes ago
      I guess you look for the car like Fiat 500e [0]. It is a two-seater with an electric drive.

      [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_500e

      • lucfranken 28 minutes ago
        Good looking but also a quite expensive one! If it will be for masses the prices will likely need to become substantially lower.

        And we need the charging capacity for all those vehicles which is a huge issue. For example in the Netherlands this shows the capacity available to use extra power connections:

        https://capaciteitskaart.netbeheernederland.nl/capaciteitska...

        All red. The goals of the environmental improvements should connect with the actual real world available capacity. Otherwise it's just a dream.

        • pjc50 7 minutes ago
          > quite expensive

          Open Autotrader -> Fiat 500e -> New -> First car: https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202506113398641 discounted to £15k. That is just a really cheap car. Even the nominal RRP £23,685 is cheap. If you want cheaper there is Dacia Spring and the cheapest BYD.

          > The goals of the environmental improvements

          The Netherlands of all people should understand about sea level rise and the real world capacity available to absorb CO2.

      • pjc50 19 minutes ago
        The 500 has four seats and is available in 3 or 5 doors!

        If you want a really small car, which Americans don't, there's the Topolino.

      • Xenoamorphous 28 minutes ago
        It's a 4 seater no? Even if the rear seats are small.
        • pqb 23 minutes ago
          Technically yes - it is a 3-door car with two seats behind the driver. However, in my experience only small persons or kids will enjoy sitting on the rear seats. I recall that the rear seats were good as an extra space for the backpacks or shopping bags.
    • blitzar 25 minutes ago
      Fiat Topolino / Citroën Ami / Honda Super-N
    • Skwid 35 minutes ago
      Possibly not what you're after, and possibly not available to you even then, but there is this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MG_Cyberster
    • the_duke 33 minutes ago
      I guess the target market is small, otherwise more options would exist.

      If you buy a car anyway, might as well pay a bit more and get one that is useful in more situations.

      • Mashimo 32 minutes ago
        I think battery size is also an issue.
        • the_duke 26 minutes ago
          But there are very few small gasoline cars as well, even in Europe.
    • enaaem 20 minutes ago
      There is the Fiat Topolino if you are ok with a pure city car.
    • vinni2 25 minutes ago
      Smart ForTwo Has been discontinued no?
    • d--b 31 minutes ago
      Apparently, someone heard you:

      https://uk.smart.com/en/models/hashtag-two/

  • ianpurton 25 minutes ago
    You can find a new sub 25K EUR car in Europe but the range will suck.

    For example the VW Polo starts at 25K but if you want the bigger battery, its 35k.

    • OtherShrezzing 11 minutes ago
      The 25k VW ID.Polo has a range of ~300km. In Europe, that's way more than enough for >95% of trips for >95% of people.
      • serpix 3 minutes ago
        around 150km in the winter, unacceptable range for a new car. A 28kWh ioniq could do that and they are cheap and come fully loaded.
  • cloudie78 10 minutes ago
    25k is still too fucking much.

    8999 and we can start having a conversation, people can’t afford a 25k new car for gods sake.

  • ulfw 41 minutes ago
    Easy to rise sevenfold when you have close to no sales at that price point due to lack of offerings
    • somenameforme 5 minutes ago
      These cars are very widespread, but almost exclusively thanks to Chinese companies, and Chinese EVs are effectively banned in the US.
  • walthamstow 29 minutes ago
    Sevenfold! Whatever happened to -fold? It's all 10X this and 5X that these days, nobody says times or fold any more