Learn Programming with OCaml

(lmf.cnrs.fr)

66 points | by elvis70 3 hours ago

4 comments

  • zvmaz 33 minutes ago
    Tangentially, a great interview with the creator of OCaml, Xavier Leroy [1].

    [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Cswiqrq6So

  • throwaw12 47 minutes ago
    > Learn Programming with OCaml

    Lately, I keep asking myself, do I need to learn this new thing, should I force myself to learn this thing, LLMs know it anyways and so on.

    So (asking genuinely), should we learn these things?

    • dadoum 35 minutes ago
      My experience with OCaml has transformed how I think about programming and complex system design. This may also be true if you learn any other functional programming language, but OCaml is easy and flexible which makes it good imo as a door towards the more formal part of comp sci. Even for steering an LLM I think this might help.
      • f1shy 12 minutes ago
        My experience with lisp was exactly that: it completely changed how I think about programming, but much more, how I think about systems and engineering. (I learned it through SICP)
    • xiaoyu2006 36 minutes ago
      You can also learn for your own amusement, and solely for the fun of comprehension; a lot of mathematician were driven by this. It's a shame current social value places so much utilitariaism on learning.
      • underlipton 1 minute ago
        As always, it is good to be aware that many people are too anxious about more existential issues to comfortably an consistently expend effort on intellectually-taxing tasks that aren't perceived as directly related to their survival. If it's an issue with social values, it's less of one related to learning as it is to perpetuating artificial scarcity.
      • f1shy 11 minutes ago
        This. The question can be seen like “should I learn to solve sodoku, if a computer can do it better?”
      • _HMCB_ 27 minutes ago
        This ^
    • monsieurbanana 27 minutes ago
      You could have asked this question 10 years ago, long before llms. It's not like you'd realistically would get an ocaml job back then when there's so few of them, so why bother?

      The answer is still the same as well, people learn ocaml either because they enjoy it, or because learning a functional language makes them a better programmer overall and teaches your brain to approach a problem in a different way.

    • adalacelove 44 minutes ago
      Should you learn history if it is already written in a book? Should you live if others are already living?
      • a2ff6eeb0 32 minutes ago
        For most people, history is trivia.
        • doc_ick 7 minutes ago
          If you ignore history everything is perfect, or at least a controlled slight deviation.
    • nine_k 11 minutes ago
      Outsourcing all the thinking to machines may have consequences you might not like.

      An oblique explanation: https://croissanthology.com/earring

    • ahoka 32 minutes ago
      Why learn an instrument when you can just press play?
      • dismalaf 2 minutes ago
        Why does anyone have any hobbies?
      • a2ff6eeb0 25 minutes ago
        Cultural inertia: until recently, you couldn't just press play and get even a wide selection of music: for most of history, if you wanted music, you had to make it or hire someone to do it for you.

        More recently, you had to go to the store and buy it, which meant you didn't have much variety.

        Today, learning an instrument is for social status, inheriting the shine of the past, where music was rare and costly. The reason to learn an instrument today is because the former situation was romanticized.

        It'll probably take a generation before people ease into guilt-free enjoying infinite, fully generated music.

        • toolslive 11 minutes ago
          your body needs exercise or you end up an obese couch potato. Your mind is similar: it needs exercise or you end up a dunce.
        • jonahx 11 minutes ago
          These theories sound vaguely plausible.

          I would rate them as about 5% true and 95% false, as explanation of the past and prediction of the future.

          The satisfaction of learning to do something difficult isn't going away, and the social status associated with it won't either.

        • otabdeveloper4 10 minutes ago
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    • sgt 26 minutes ago
      Seeing that you already know programming, I'd say it'd be less risky for you. But the only reason you're able to pilot an LLM to do programming for you, is because you understand programming and architecture.

      But what about the future generations skipping the step of learning the OCaml's, the C's, the Python's...? It's quite concerning.

      Oh by the way, yes. Learn OCaml!

    • doc_ick 6 minutes ago
      I mean if you want to let llms do everything for you go ahead. Wall-e implications aside, it seems like a great self centric life.
    • sublinear 32 minutes ago
      What the hell else do you have to do?!
  • veqq 15 minutes ago
    Why is the PDF smaller than the Epub file?
  • giraffe_lady 18 minutes ago
    OCaml is the LLM secret weapon right now. They are better at writing it than they are any other language.* That’s all I have to say about it.

    * Other “pure” hindley-milner languages are tied but among them ocaml has some particular strengths that I’m sure others will discuss.

    • nine_k 8 minutes ago
      Two genuine questions. (1) Why not Rust? (2) Why not Haskell?

      (I have my own answers, but I'd love to hear yours, too.)