The Future Belongs to the Weird

(essays.georgestrakhov.com)

49 points | by georgestrakhov 4 hours ago

22 comments

  • Animats 59 minutes ago
    That was a Millennial generation thing. Back in 2002, "Be Your Own Brand: A Breakthrough Formula for Standing Out from the Crowd" by Speak and McNally, was arguing for that. They pushed heavy self-promotion. That got us the "brogrammer", "move fast and break things", and startups that tried to buy market share with venture capital.
    • usef- 31 minutes ago
      The things you list seem completely unconnected to me, and not driven by people embracing weird. Stereotype "brogrammers" were very similar to each other.
      • enos_feedler 17 minutes ago
        Yes. To even mention venture in this era. It is more associated with status quo than being weird.
  • WCSTombs 2 hours ago
    Interesting essay! Yeah, I think there's some truth to the premise. As it becomes cheaper and cheaper to exploit predictable patterns, a person's value-add needs to include unpredictability. That's a necessary and not a sufficient condition, though, since you can be unpredictable and still mostly useless.

    > Obviously, there is nuance. You can take this argument to the limit and say that ultimately the world is made of only two things: Chaos (a.k.a. the vast seas of Wolfram's computational irreducibility, a.k.a. pure noise, a.k.a. quantum randomness) and Logos (the small islands of compressible patterns).

    Within computational irreducibility, there's pure noise as well as universal computation, which is neither meaningfully predictable nor random. Since you mentioned Wolfram, in terms of elementary cellular automata, it's the difference between rule 30 and rule 110. The latter seems to me to be on the boundary between Chaos and Logos, and where I would expect to find the human intellect. (I think this is also largely the same distinction I made above where unpredictability can be useful or not.)

    Since you also mentioned the economy and the possibility of UBI...I also don't know the answer, but I think it's worth thinking about Maslow's hierarchy of needs, which to me is pretty tightly coupled to weirdness. Moreover, I think societies similarly have their own hierarchy of needs, but that's something I don't understand very well. In any case, weirdness seems to be coupled to both of these, in that it best flourishes at the higher levels, when the more fundamental needs are mostly taken care of. At the lower levels, there's too much pressure to reduce social friction to cooperate with others for the sake of survival, and you just can't really afford to be too weird. I don't know if UBI is the answer, but there may be some benefit to just solving the lower levels of the needs hierarchy so we can move past this.

  • pu_pe 42 minutes ago
    I wish this would be true, but simply sampling unusual ideas is something eminently automatable. We already have temperature and other settings to guide a LLM towards this kind of "weird". So I don't think it's just about thinking outside the box as most weird ideas are probably also stupid, you can probably almost exhaust the search space of interesting ideas quite easily.

    Maybe we will need humans to experience entirely new things instead. No one knows the taste of a new, bioengineered animal. No one knows what it's like to stimulate specific cell types in their brain. And so on. There are things that are and will remain uniquely human, forever.

  • bsenftner 1 hour ago
    Which means your ability to communicate well becomes paramount. Being weird, being unique does not equate to being unintelligible - but far too many are going to go this way. If "we" want our weird to infect, you need to communicate why your means of expression of self are there, your "weird" is a message: what is it?
  • KineticLensman 57 minutes ago
    I think the cherry-picked examples at the beginning completely ignore the massive number of examples throughout history where groups of people pushed back against mainstream society. A lot of them were hurt or died in the process but societies throughout history have been changed by people who refused to fit in.
    • GJim 52 minutes ago
      "Don't think a small group of dedicated people can't change the world. They are the only thing that ever has".
  • rglover 53 minutes ago
    The truly "weird"—the kind "futures belong to"—cannot be commodified into yet another off-the-shelf-personality. You either are or you aren't.
  • mw888 1 hour ago
    Culture us already far more ironic and appreciative of irreverent and absurdist humor, and open-minded to ideology- than it was prior generations.

    Why would it tend this way before AI? Something to do with the creative potential where tech reduces the consciousness and menial work requirement perhaps.

  • BoredomIsFun 24 minutes ago
    The author make a typical mistake, saying that witches were burned at stake in pre-modern times. Which is not true; surprisingly burning witches was not a big thing in Medieval period; it was actually early modernity when witch hunts have become widespread (not in England though, were witchhunts were far less popular, than say in Germany or some other parts of modern UK).
  • 1aqhg16 48 minutes ago
    ChatGPT, please write an essay about weirdos that follows Paul Graham's methods but not his style. Insert AI as the savior in the end.

    The reality is that everything that was considered weird has been co-opted by the tech industry already. LGBTQ and Burning man are boring, commercialized and institutionalized now.

    The tech industry did this, because tech people are relentless online advertisers for the industry and they had to placate them. It stopped when Trump was elected, which shows that the people holding the power are normie CEOs and not weirdos.

    If you say Amodei is a weirdo: Only to a certain extent and he will be removed one day just like the Google founders. Some Eric Schmidt figure will take over.

    Really, this is just AI generated or assisted fiction that improves morale for the tech influencers.

    • usef- 32 minutes ago
      If by "everything considered weird" you mean a small chosen part of it from a decade ago. There are infinite pockets of it.
  • gizajob 2 hours ago
    Nah, it belongs to the slop consuming unthinking normies. More and more apparent by the day. Wishful thinking that it belongs to the weird.
    • chadgpt3 1 hour ago
      And they belong to the rich.
  • larodi 2 hours ago
    That’s great news. We’ve been preparing for exactly this version of it for more than 25 years now - learning, hacking, travelling, doing extreme sports and environments and exploring tribal outdoor gatherings with zero amenities. Hope we see you on the other side.
  • RcouF1uZ4gsC 36 minutes ago
    > But with AI (disembodied in software and embodied in robots), the relative value of being normal and predictable is rapidly evaporating.

    I would argue this is precisely backwards. The normal and predictable is more valuable. Human errors are largely predictable. AI errors are not. This is one of the reasons why human code is much easier to review than AI code.

  • newsclues 53 minutes ago
    Just not my kind of weird.
  • dudisubekti 51 minutes ago
    > but the general rule for the vast majority of the population was: don't be weird, or get killed.

    I suspect this is a very Eurocentric view. Take India for a counter-example, it has always been full of weirdoes starting their own cults.

  • NotGMan 41 minutes ago
    What we call "normal" is the historical convergence to behaviour that allows a civilization to thrive and survive long term.

    Change that and the weirdos will create a society that will die out.

    See: modern liberal society and feminisim which leads to population collapse and destruction of the civilizations that embrace it.

    • birdsongs 36 minutes ago
      > See: modern liberal society and feminisim which leads to population collapse and destruction of the civilizations that embrace it.

      I would absolutely love any kind of reputable source on this.

      • FallCheeta7373 9 minutes ago
        I think the default mode is lack of population and getting outcompeted by pro-natal civilisations, like amish etc. You need to provide a reputable source for why is that not the case.
  • metalman 46 minutes ago
    that was revolting to read. unbelievable cinical double speak.it leaves all real control to industry and is DESIGNED to make "repair" a bespoke boutique privlage. what was that very reliable french device that was used as "the argument that ends all debate", many I am sure could are likely still operable even aften centuries of sitting, but even if out of commisioncan be quickly returned to service to trim beurocratic and industry excess at the source.
  • metalman 2 hours ago
    WOW! , a complete history, manual, and set of rules for bieng wierd, almost like a beurocratic normalisation of wierdnesz, which is of course the standard method of the normys when they notice that the strategy of useing the same tactics is failing (and quickly at that) and they need new ideas to steal.

    good luck with that.

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  • petra 52 minutes ago
    This rests on the assumption that AI can't do weird stuff.

    I think it depends.

    For measurable goals and simulatable systems, AI and other methods like evolutionary optimization can create weird things on their own.

    But what if the goals themselves are weird? This exists, There's a niche for that in the economy, but it's pretty small.