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117 points | by tosh 2 hours ago

7 comments

  • ChrisMarshallNY 47 minutes ago
    One convenient fiction that wealthy people (in the US) tell themselves, is that poor people are "lazy"; and that's why they're poor.

    I know lots of folks without a pot to piss in, or a window to throw it out, and not one single one, is "lazy." In fact, a few have more than one (difficult) job.

    I am old enough to see a few of them getting into the back nine, with no cushion.

    I'm extremely grateful for what I have.

    • andsoitis 22 minutes ago
      > convenient fiction that wealthy people (in the US) tell themselves, is that poor people are "lazy"

      just like all poor people aren't lazy, so too all wealthy people don't think this.

      • ChrisMarshallNY 10 minutes ago
        Never said they did. Interesting read of what I wrote…
        • andsoitis 9 minutes ago
          You wrote wealthy people tell themselves that poor people are lazy.
          • ChrisMarshallNY 8 minutes ago
            Yes, I did. There’s a word that was inserted into what I actually wrote.
            • andsoitis 7 minutes ago
              By that logic, it is then accurate to say poor people are lazy.
              • ChrisMarshallNY 5 minutes ago
                Sure. Knock yourself out. I won’t lose any sleep over it.
      • cindyllm 20 minutes ago
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    • gumby 7 minutes ago
      Being poor is a lot of work, as is very well documented. When you have more money you can offload some (or in extreme cases pretty much all) of the labor.
    • p-o 19 minutes ago
      The pervasive myth that hard work == wealth needs to die. Every people I have met in my life wanted to have a shot at a decent life and would have put the necessary work for a decent wage.

      The word lazy should be identified as what it really is: a pejorative.

    • userbinator 7 minutes ago
      It's not "lazy"; it's "made the wrong choices"... which I suppose you could call "intellectually lazy".
      • kajman 0 minutes ago
        It only makes sense that fetuses which choose to be born into blue collar families in the wrong zip code are more likely to continue to make poor decisions for the rest of their lives. You just can't trust people with such a poor history of judgement. Unless they're C-Suite.
      • ChrisMarshallNY 6 minutes ago
        Or… were never given a choice/opportunity…
    • Jtarii 14 minutes ago
      Some people just have a several hundred year head start on others.
  • krupan 31 minutes ago
    Wow, I didn't realize how much I missed blog posts like this. Is there any way we can get the version of the Internet where people posted like this on their personal blogs back? It's the reason sites like hacker news came to exist, you couldn't just scroll social media to find stuff, you had to sort of stumble upon (that used to be a website too, didn't it?) stuff like this and pass it around word of mouth. It was awesome.
    • nixosbestos 27 minutes ago
      Sorry, but it's not a fucking blog post. It's a long form post on a site I can't read because I have literally half an ounce of actual self respect.

      It's not a blog. Nor is Medium. I can't believe this shit the site tolerates (laps up, really) being named "hacker news". Buncha hackers should be ashamed and embarrassed.

      • p-o 24 minutes ago
        > It's a long form post on a site I can't read because I have literally half an ounce of actual self respect.

        Glad I'm not the only one.

      • gumby 12 minutes ago
        Change x to xcancel and read it that way.
      • NoImmatureAdHom 10 minutes ago
        xcancel.com
      • tonyhart7 25 minutes ago
        I mean twitter used to be a micro blogging website that people could use without maintaining real blog website

        what's the issue here ????

        • nixosbestos 16 minutes ago
          ITS COMPLETELY UNUSABLE (aka, unreadable) LOGGED OUT.

          Are those of you on X really this out of touch?

          • WalterGR 6 minutes ago
            I can read it fine. I’m not logged in to X.

            That you personally can’t read it doesn’t imply that everyone else here is a horrible person.

            • nixosbestos 2 minutes ago
              1. I don't believe you. At all. Or congrats, they're A/Bing you and letting you read a tiny modicum of content before forcing you to login. Actually, I'll donate $250 to a charity of your choice if you show me you on x.com mobile browser, logged out, and then load that link. Any charity you want.

              2. I never said that. Weird that you would feel the need to put words in my mouth. Why might that be?

  • delichon 1 hour ago
    A friend was a property manager in Sacramento. His biggest headache was replacing the electrical equipment thieves would demolish to get to the copper, that currently pays ~$5/lb. If people are really working this hard for steel at $0.04/lb, then transformers and air conditioners will have to be installed in vaults.
    • TacticalCoder 1 hour ago
      > His biggest headache was replacing the electrical equipment thieves would demolish to get to the copper

      It's one of the reason trains get stuck in Europe: thieves stealing copper cables. They've been found to steal, too, heavy road grate if they were of any value: which created actual serious accidents (where a car's tire falls into the hole).

      Regarding the electrical cables for trains, one solution is, slowly , replace them with cables with basically the same properties but 1/10th the copper.

      Other funky solutions have been implemented: chemical sprays with a composition that is watermark and that cannot easily be removed. So when caught the thieves cannot deny because for x weeks the watermark stays, invisible and harmless, on their skin.

      One question of course is: what does society think we should do with thieves who create road accidents and who render trains inoperable?

      • gumby 11 minutes ago
        > One question of course is: what does society think we should do with thieves who create road accidents and who render trains inoperable?

        They should be liable for consequential damages.

      • downrightmike 13 minutes ago
        trains arent really useful in the US on purpose
        • gumby 8 minutes ago
          Trains in the US are super useful…for freight. Pretty much worthless for passengers in most cases. Canada and Australia are similar.

          Europe puts people in trains and freight in semi-trailers. China and Japan are more like this.

          India dedicates its rail network 100% to passengers and also 100% to freight. Somehow it works.

      • mschuster91 31 minutes ago
        > It's one of the reason trains get stuck in Europe: thieves stealing copper cables.

        Even worse. Sometimes, the dumb fucks think something has copper in it, but actually it's fiber... once two copper thieves simultaneously took out the primary and secondary fiber for the GSM-R network, leading to a complete standstill in Northern Germany [1]. (Personally: given the timing, I think it was Russian throwaway agents, and I do not believe that "copper thieves" cover story for a single second)

        [1] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/GSM-R-Ausfall_bei_der_Deutsche...

    • kogasa240p 1 hour ago
      > ~$5/lb

      Copper sells over $6 per pound these days: https://www.kitco.com/price/base-metals/copper

      • Computer0 50 minutes ago
        I’d say $6 is == ~$5
      • Aurornis 46 minutes ago
        The scrap price is what you get for bringing scrap copper to a recycler.

        Not an expert, but I assume $5/lb is the peak value for dropping off nearly perfect condition copper. Not sure how much they’re actually getting for stripped copper wire.

        • tomjakubowski 33 minutes ago
          I would also think that unscrupulous scrap buyers would offer a lower price for copper which has obviously been stolen or stripped from public works, since they are taking on more risk by buying it.
  • mikeaskew4 1 hour ago
    We have them in Chicago, too. Call streets and san when you got something too big to fit in the can? Nah.

    Also nearly got a job in Pittsburgh this summer…

  • phoronixrly 1 hour ago
  • oulipo 1 hour ago
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    • delish 1 hour ago
      I'm open to correction on which rule to cite, or whether to cite a rule:

      https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

      Picking:

      > Please don't complain about tangential annoyances—e.g. article or website formats, name collisions, or back-button breakage. They're too common to be interesting.

      I understand the partisan juxtaposition of "X" and Moxie Marlinspike, and the partisan appeal of commenting on it, but to me it is a tangential annoyance.

    • jjtheblunt 1 hour ago
      I'm curious what cesspool you mean, because i can see cutting edge true hardcore science publication announcements on X better than elsewhere.

      i ask because i evidently have tuned my account parameters somehow way the heck better than you experience.

      I _do_ still see what look like rage-bait nonsense that people post for clicks, totally unrelated to medicine or biology, so i block or mute that nonsense. I'm guessing that's part of the cesspool but you may see different stuff.

    • phoronixrly 1 hour ago
      Why do you think Moxie Marlinspike is not the type of person that would stay on this cesspool of a network that is X? From what I've seen I'd have been very surprised to see him anywhere else.

      It is ironic that the founder of maybe the most popular privacy-conscious IM app is actively contributing to his and his followers' data being harvested on X though.

    • moralestapia 1 hour ago
      Not sure what image you have of him. But a cesspool is where he belongs, imo.
  • slopinthebag 1 hour ago
    I fear FIFTEEN CENTS A POUND is going to become a new vocal stim I will spam 50 times a day.