I close SSH port 22 (and what I use instead)

(michelebologna.net)

40 points | by speckx 4 days ago

24 comments

  • kazinator 40 minutes ago
    What I do is laughably simple.

    1. Disable all logging about break-in attempts.

    2. Do not have any common user names like "root".

    Say you want to be able to log in as root from anywhere, just with a password. This is a wise idea; what if you need access, but are in a situation where you are not able to use a certificate?

    Make up an alternative name like roto-rooter or whatever pops into your head. Install it into the password file as an alternative name for UID 0. (Make sure it appears later than the "root" entry!). Also edit the shadow file, making sure that the entry is duplicated for the alternative name.

    Then in the sshd config file, use AllowUsers to allow only a whitelisted set of users. Here if you say "AllowUsers rotorooter", then the only user id that can authenticate is exactly that one, and it's mapped to UID 0 via passwd/shadow. Add any other accounts you would like to remotely access, giving them similar aliases if they happen to land into a commonly probed space, or are something that a targeted attacker could infer from knowing something about you.

    Attackers do not probe the user ID space at all. They concentrate exclusively on probing the password spaces of common user IDs like root, admin, database, www-data, etc. If your system does not support any of those IDs, they are not on a trajectory to crack anything. Your rotorooter password could be "g0d" and they will not get in, if all they ever try is root.

    • mmh0000 24 minutes ago
      This is a bad idea™. You should never have more than one UID 0 on a Unix system. This will violate most corporate security guidelines (STIG and CIS) *. And for good reason.

      A much better idea is to set up a non-root user and configure sudo correctly.

      * https://www.stigviewer.com/stigs/red_hat_enterprise_linux_9/...

      • kazinator 19 minutes ago
        I am not a corporation, so I don't need corporate guidelines.

        There isn't more than one UID 0. Only more than one password/shadow database entry pointing to it.

        (It might not be necessary; perhaps there is a way for OpenSSH to remap names, so that our example rotorooter is mapped to root by sshd itself.)

        > A much better idea is to set up a non-root user and configure sudo correctly.

        Even if so, the same principle applies: do not call that user admin, for instance. Don't use your first name or anything that a targeted, non-random attacker could guess about you.

        If that user's name is, oh, 7yMfAxB6, it will never be probed. Though no need to be that paranoid.

        From the document:

        > Multiple accounts with a UID of "0" afford more opportunity for potential intruders to guess a password for a privileged account.

        Whoever wrote that does not know WTF they are talking about. Two identical entries in passwd/shadow do not comprise different "accounts".

        The UID is the account; the password DB is more or less just window dressing.

        > Change the UID of any account on the system, other than root, that has a UID of "0".

        Change it to what, with what desired effect? Might as well say 'oh, screw with the password file randomly for shits and giggles'.

        Better idea: investigate why there is another 0. Maybe there is a good reason.

        • imoverclocked 2 minutes ago
          > Whoever wrote that does not know WTF they are talking about

          ... or they know something you don't.

  • teddyh 24 minutes ago
    Port knocking, and other bespoke middle layers in front of internet services, is stupid. It violates Kerckhoffs’s principle¹. If you want more secret bits which users need to know in order to access your system, increase your password lengths, or cryptographic key sizes. If you want to keep log sizes (or “noise”) manageable, adjust your logging levels.

    Anything added in front of your normal service also complicates access, since it’s non-standard. If you want a standard solution to solve all your needs for secure access of IP-based services, use IPsec and be done with it once and for all.

    1. <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kerckhoffs%27s_pr...>

    (Adapted from this old post: <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39898061>)

    • ssl-3 2 minutes ago
      Agreed.

      And for logging in particular: Just switch the logging over to a temp file that lives in RAM (what disk thrash/write-amplification/SSD wear?), or even disable it altogether for failed login attempts.

      We already know that there are great hordes of zombies outside of the castle, banging on the doors and the blocked-off spaces where the windows once were, picking away tirelessly. That's been a constant for many years. Documenting their continued persistence is pretty meaningless. None of it is actionable, or stoppable. It's just going to keep happening. Recording attempts from valid users is also largely without merit; it looks like noise, and we've got other ways to troubleshoot stuff that breaks without maintaining a long list of zombie attacks to peruse.

      If a zombie actually manages to get in, then that's pretty important to keep track of; log that. But the attempts don't mean anything and have not meant anything for a very long time.

      (When the word comes forth that the zombies are gone and the noise has ceased, it will be broadcast so far and wide that even the most noise-deafened sysadmins will find it impossible to ignore. In that seemingly-impossible unlikelihood, we can then resume recording attempts to log in with ssh.)

    • mvkg 9 minutes ago
      I agree port knocking is a direct violation of Kerckhoff's principle. However, the proposed solution has non-discoverability from unauthorized sources which isn't necessarily in the threat model of OpenSSH or general cryptography. I do feel like this is potentially a desirable trait. I elaborated a bit more here[0], but I'm curious if you have any grander thoughts on how this could be approached

      [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49307986

    • thayne 5 minutes ago
      I think you are missing the point. It isn't about increasing the bits of security, it's about avoiding the flood of port scanners and the logs that produces.

      IPsec is way more complicated to set up than this (or other VPN solutions like Wireguard or OpenVPN for that matter), and doesn't even completely solve that problem, because your ipsec port is open. Although, admittedly, there are probably less bots looking for ipsec than ssh.

  • usernametaken29 52 minutes ago
    I don’t know why this wasn’t mentioned before but why not use a Firewall. If you’re using a virtual box like Hetzner or Scaleway you can specify an ip or range at the router level. For all intents and purposes this removes public exposure. Scaleway also has a cheap VPN bridge. So you never need to connect via the public internet if you don’t want to… hardly gets more secure than that
    • thayne 4 minutes ago
      If you are connecting from a residence or a mobile device (like a laptop), your ip address isn't fixed, so a firewall won't help.
  • happosai 39 minutes ago
    I made my ssh server to listen ipv6-only, and it has been super silent in the logs ever since.

    In the first iteration the IPv6 got polled by a handful of attackers as soon as the letsencrypt certificate was published. In the second iteration I just picked another IPv6 address from the /64 and made ssh.example.com to point to it. This should work until the attackers start guessing subdomain s...

  • ggm 1 hour ago
    A scheme like this is in the process of being standardised by Peter Gutmann who knows what he is doing. To give that statement more context he's an NZ cryptographer and has also worked in standardisation before. So, he is promoting this model with knowledge of cryptography, risks and the standards process.

    https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-gutmann-ssh-preauth/

  • fedpost 1 hour ago
    Is this actually practically reducing the attack surface? We're replacing a battle hardened service with a random one that has the ability to manipulate the firewall rules.
    • mvkg 21 minutes ago
      I think the answer is yes. A response from a remote system (or lack of) is a signal. The conventional ssh protocol method when connecting to a server is to instantly send over the identification string. RFC 4253 requires "both sides MUST send an identification string". It doesn't necessarily decide an order, but most ssh implementations I've seen send their protocol string before any other data has been received.

      The broadcasting of the versioning information does constitute a potential leakage of information that could be useful to an attacker. Even if we contrast this to something like mTLS, the client certificate doesn't come until fairly late in the handshake, so there is still information that can be cleaned from the ServerHello from an unauthenticated inspector. This is also the case with QUIC since it piggybacks off the general TLS handshake.

      I think the issue is, for a known set of systems, can you create communications between them that are oblivious/non-discoverable to non-authorized systems. I think the answer is yes, but it requires an out-of-band key agreement protocol. Wireguard is an example. However, the problem of out-of-band key agreement can't really be ignored.

      I think the article's method is somewhat valid. I also think it is non-ideal for only doing source IP based rulesets, especially in the world of IPv4 and NAT being prevalent.

    • simondotau 1 hour ago
      A sensible observation. In theory, the entire codebase for a simple HMAC knock knock ought to be tiny and easy to harden with multiple rounds of human and LLM review.

      The goal should be to have your complex layers sitting in front of simpler, easier-to-review lines of defence. Once you get to something like an open connection to ssh, the potential attack surface would be orders of magnitude larger, even though it’s more mature and closely scrutinised.

    • zsoltkacsandi 1 hour ago
      If you mean fail2ban by “battle hardened service”, it manipulates the firewall rules as well. And OpenSSH has the same functionality built-in, without any additional service (PerSourcePenalties).
  • akshayrajeshwar 22 minutes ago
    > If a zero-day drops in OpenSSH...

    Realistically, fwknop is more likely to have a vuln than OpenSHH. Last release was two years ago and the readme dates back twelve :/ Time will tell.

    • notpushkin 12 minutes ago
      fwknop is a bit lower risk though. If all an attacker can do is open a port, they’ll still have to exploit OpenSSH.
    • mmh0000 20 minutes ago
      Seriously. If a zero-day drops in OpenSSH, it's quite literally the end of the world.
  • figmert 37 minutes ago
    The real solution is using something like Pangolin or Tailscale (or Headscale) for this. You can control access way better and you never have to expose ssh ever. Not even temporarily.
  • somat 54 minutes ago
    The enlightened trick is to run ssh on port 443.
  • suprjami 1 hour ago
    > and why it is not enough on its own

    Nothing is good enough on its own.

    Geoblocking, fail2ban, port obscurity, SSH keys, limiting logins to specific usernames, not using your public internet nickname, putting things behind CloudFlare tunnels or WireGuard, wildcard DNS obscurity, 2FA... There are many options.

    Defense in depth is the only way to put services on the internet.

    • yjftsjthsd-h 1 hour ago
      I certainly agree with your general point, but it is very much my experience that just forcing public key authentication on ssh is good enough on its own. (Yes, I understand that by writing this on the internet, I have doomed us all to dealing with a sev zero openssh sshd RCE on the weekend. Sorry in advance.)
    • topspin 1 hour ago
      > Geoblocking, fail2ban

      I use both on one port 22 host. Not much actually touches the server: maybe 5 hosts a day get banned. Meanwhile, China and the Netherlands are forever getting blocked and logged by geoblocking.

      I check the 24h log window by country most business days. Some days China leads, other days the Netherlands pulls ahead. Almost never are any other countries close to those two.

  • mrktf 4 days ago
    I would go with something like:

      seed=`date +%s%N`; ( echo "secretknock-20260811|$seed"|sha512sum  ; echo $seed ) | xargs nc -u 192.168.1.1
    
    It is not secure as hmac and it can be 'trivially' brute forced, but don't require extra tools (probably nc not always readily available).

    On other hand if threat vector includes network monitor with ability to replay i would use wireguard to wrap ssh traffic.

  • cperciva 10 minutes ago
    This is what spiped is for.
  • orev 1 hour ago
    Glad to see fwknop mentioned. Back when the idea of port knocking emerged, there was a lot of criticism about it. Then this came out, and not many seemed to notice.

    This was before WireGuard and Tailscale, so the main option for remote access was IPsec or OpenVPN, which are both more complicated than most people want to deal with.

  • mmh0000 39 minutes ago
    I've been using nftables for port knocking for a while now. I run an SSH tunnel server that needs to be globally accessible. But I don't want it getting hammered by bots nonstop.

    So, I have this nft script which works alongside Firewalld:

      $ systemctl enable --now nftables
      $ cat /etc/nftables/portknock.nft
      table ip portknock {}
      delete table ip portknock
      
      table ip portknock {
          set knocked {
              type ipv4_addr
              flags timeout
              timeout 6s
              gc-interval 2s
          }
      
          # Before conntrack: record the knock, then drop the packet.
          chain prerouting_knock {
              type filter hook prerouting priority raw; policy accept;
      
              tcp dport 12334 fib daddr type local tcp flags syn counter add @knocked { ip saddr } drop
          }
      
          # Decision chain for port 41444. Every branch is counted so that
          # `nft -a list table ip portknock` shows which path traffic took.
          chain gate_41444 {
              # Established/related sessions pass unconditionally.
              ct state established,related accept
      
              # Host-local. Rarely matches: host-originated traffic is DNATed in
              # the output hook before it reaches prerouting. Kept as a safeguard.
              iifname "lo" counter accept
      
              # Podman containers reaching the published port (hairpin).
              ip saddr 10.88.0.0/16 counter accept
      
              # Trusted subnets.
              ip saddr { 10.0.0.0/24, 10.1.0.0/24 } counter accept
      
              # Knocked within the last 6 seconds.
              ip saddr @knocked counter accept
      
              # Default deny. If THIS counter is 0 and the accept counters are
              # also 0, the chain is not being reached at all -- investigate.
              # Do not assume the gate is working just because nothing got in.
              counter drop
          }
      
          chain prerouting_gate {
              type filter hook prerouting priority mangle; policy accept;
      
              tcp dport 41444 fib daddr type local jump gate_41444
          }
      }
    
    
    
    Then on the client side, I can use anything to send the knock, but usually I just script it out with `ssh` like this:

      $ ssh -p 12334 -o ConnectTimeout=1 "${sServer}" &> /dev/null
      $ sleep .5
      $ ssh -o 'ExitOnForwardFailure=yes' -o 'StrictHostKeyChecking=no' -o 'LogLevel=ERROR' -fp 41444 -R "${iPort}:localhost:22" -T "${sServer}" "sleep 14d"
    
    The biggest benefit is that it doesn't require any non-standard tooling. If you have an SSH client and know the rules, you can connect.

    Yeah, it doesn't have all the "cryptographic signatures" of the article; at the same time, it doesn't have some "random" 3rd-party application that faces the internet and directly controls firewall rules that way.

    It's still an OpenSSH server with key-auth only. I'm not worried about someone carefully watching my traffic and finding it. I just need Internet bots not connecting to it a million times a second.

  • SoftTalker 1 hour ago
    This is a lot of complexity compared to just not having ssh open to the world (on whatever port you choose to use).

    Restrict it to the networks where authorized users will be connecting.

    • zsoltkacsandi 1 hour ago
      Or just using a VPN, Wireguard, or Tailscale if you don’t want to configure Wireguard yourself.
  • tuatoru 16 minutes ago
    With all the world's knowledge freely available on the web, people still do this.

    Unless it's an April Fool joke, in June.

  • cyberax 17 minutes ago
    I don't close SSH. I just use port knocking on my firewall to enable the SSH.
  • hackernud3s 22 minutes ago
    I was expecting to hear tailscale TBH. You do you though.
  • bakugo 34 minutes ago
    AI slop article based on a flawed premise. It's 2026, the process of correctly securing an SSH server has exactly two steps:

    1. Disable password auth, only public key auth should be enabled

    2. Block public access to SSH entirely, use a VPN instead (Tailscale & co. make this trivial)

    And 2 is entirely optional for most people reading SSH guides who just want a server to host their hobby project. Let's be real, you're probably not reading the auth logs anyway so they don't need to be clean, and if someone discovered an OpenSSH public key auth bypass vulnerability, they absolutely wouldn't waste it on you. Just let those dumb scanners go at it all day, they're not getting in.

    And a little tangent: fail2ban is 100% placebo and does nothing except clean up the logs a bit. I don't understand why it's still a common recommendation for beginners, it's a relic from the past when bruteforcing was still a concern because people used password auth.

  • streetfighter64 54 minutes ago
    AI writing, sigh...

    > to be unreachable: no banner, no version string,

    > It works, but it has a real weakness:

  • abofh 39 minutes ago
    You run ssh?
  • jauntywundrkind 1 hour ago
    Why not just use ssh as the knock protocol too? To a bespoke ssh server. Ssh to 7000, type "mellon", and ssh 22 opens up. No other software required, and you clearly already have ssh.
    • cynicalkane 1 hour ago
      That's a good idea, but on the other hand, it seems inappropriate to use such lore in the manner of a lore-master in these suspicious days; not a fitting reference for the happier times of Durin.
    • nine_k 36 minutes ago
      It's easier as in using already known tools. It's potentially less secure because sshd is vastly more complex, and allows literal (authorized) remote code execution, unlike fwknop.
  • IronWolve 1 hour ago
    Stacking is cool, but what happened to also having a firewall in front of it?!