6 comments

  • mike_hearn 1 hour ago
    The designers of the firmware anticipate this attack but punt it to the vendor, apparently:

        //
        // Platform implementor should choose a timeout value appropriately:
        
        [snip]
    
        // - The timeout value must be longer than longest possible IO operation in the system
    • wtallis 40 minutes ago
      I wonder whether a Thunderbolt accessory can cause arbitrarily long IO operations. What's the upper bound before some other layer gives up and causes the instruction to fault?
  • nazgulsenpai 1 hour ago
    I'm amused at the lengths the readme goes to in order to drive home the fact that this needs to be a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG instruction, including the unnecessarily long code block illustration. The topic is interesting anyway, but that makes it way more entertaining.
    • BadBadJellyBean 1 hour ago
      Do you think a short instruction is okay or does it need to be long? The instructions were a bit unclear in that regard :D
      • nazgulsenpai 1 hour ago
        Only if the short instruction is incredibly long.
  • hyperhello 42 minutes ago
    SMM calls for a timeout because it wants everything to be between instructions pro forma. So there’s a very long instruction on a core, but after it completes, the core does stop, right? It seems like to make this into an attack you’d have to a very long instruction that also somehow interacts with the thing the SMM is doing, while it’s doing it.
  • Liftyee 1 hour ago
    I don't know much about the specifics of CPU architecture apart from the existence of assembly and different modes. Either way the explanation was still entertaining and interesting. smiiiiiiii
  • londons_explore 1 hour ago
    Unclear why there is a 1 second timeout at all.

    Presumably the patch for that will be to make it an infinity timeout.

    • xxpor 1 hour ago
      Can this be patched? Is there a chance it's a hw watchdog that you can't fix in microcode?
    • ramses0 1 hour ago
      Looks like it's ~4 billion (2^32) crossover counter?
  • kmeisthax 1 hour ago
    ...huh, I was wondering why serial machine code prankster xoreaxeaxeax was keeping lists of extremely long-running instructions.

    Hopefully this is at least only possible in kernel mode, right?

    Right?!

    • tptacek 1 hour ago
      Is it really a long running instruction? I mean, obviously yes, but what makes it slow is that it's doing an MMIO copy from a slow source. It's like a read(2) system call being "slow" because the fd is associated with a socket to the moon.
      • tuetuopay 57 minutes ago
        It's an instruction in the sense that timing boundaries are x86 instruction boundaries, which is what the security model bases itself on. So yeah, not an instruction in the strict CPU sense (microcode + micro-ops), but in the useful sense.
    • xxpor 1 hour ago
      Maybe with vfio/igb_uio/uio_pci_generic? Still root level access.