12 comments

  • vikramkr 52 minutes ago
    Shout-out to anthropic for having their models have such a strongly distinct writing style and personality that you can recognize their work instantly! It's quite nice to have such an immediate signal that if I were to proceed, I would spend orders of magnitude more time and effort reading the the text than the person claiming author credit spent writing or even reading it themselves.
    • nmitchko 19 minutes ago
      Fair critique, ill rewrite (this is just my personal pet project but thought was cool to share here)
  • dtj1123 1 hour ago
    I really appreciate all the honesty here.
  • GodelNumbering 2 hours ago
    Am I missing something or the evals do not compare it to the baseline deepseek-v4-flash? Without a baseline comparison, it is hard to tell what works well and what doesn't
    • nmitchko 18 minutes ago
      I can do that, main difference seems to be this ablation seems to over think simple prompts, but can do a proper eval (might take 2-3 days)
  • ngruhn 50 minutes ago
    I've been hearing forever that latent reasoning is the next step. But none of the frontier labs seem to incorporate it. Any idea why? It doesn't sound so technically challenging. Sure you loose some interpretability but surely everyone would sacrifice that for a step-up in quality. Or at least offer a latent-reasoning-version of the model.
    • nmitchko 16 minutes ago
      I am on my own GPUs so thought it be cool to reduce token output. you can charge per latent loop as a token i guess.

      I wanted a knob to keep thinking going until it was sure it was done.

    • diwank 28 minutes ago
      you lose CoT monitorability which is a big issue since models have become quite powerful and also often deceptive but i do think that efficiency pressure will keep nudging us toward latent reasoning. looped language models are an active research area. but imagine not being able to monitor mythos' thoughts as it's working through a national security need...
      • kgeist 12 minutes ago
        LLMs already think in latent space. The generated reasoning tokens are only the surface of what's happening internally. An LLM may write one thing in the traces but decide differently in the latent space. The whole "reasoning" thing was just a clever hack to extend the existing architecture without completely redoing it. In one of Anthropic's recent papers, they added an additional subnetwork trained to map internal states to readable text, so that's probably the vector of further development.
  • andromaton 1 hour ago
    AI2027.com puts this around early 2027 and treats the loss of legible chain-of-thought as a major negative turning point for alignment.
    • nmitchko 15 minutes ago
      My main motivation is to be able to tune the thinking effort without polluting token IO. Inspiration came from the CoLaR paper and other works showing that repeating laters in an LLM got better results.
    • dtj1123 39 minutes ago
      Presumably you could decode the chain of thought from the latent representation though.
  • stephantul 56 minutes ago
    LinkedIn recently added a “seems like AI slop” button. I.e.: independent of downvoting/not interested/flagging as spam/ToS violation, you can say “this is AI slop”. Maybe we need something like it here
    • nmitchko 12 minutes ago
      Fair criticism, i’ll rewrite it… as this is a pet project and post based on another HN comment.
  • smallerize 2 hours ago
    Cool idea. I didn't understand what causes the bad response on the first query. Does it mean the first response in every new conversation, or just the first served response after startup?
    • nmitchko 13 minutes ago
      After vLLM startup I observed this on first request only then all further conversations were fine, new and original. Can’t figure out why but seems to be fine after that.
  • iandanforth 1 hour ago
    Look, if you're going to use AI to write your posts, use it to de-slop them. There are plenty of tools out there, AI can find them and run them on its own output. Reading the same mannerisms over and over and over is painful for your audience and it's literally one command to fix. Please do us the courtesy of running that command, or better yet, making it part of your permanent workflow.
    • vikramkr 48 minutes ago
      Tbh I appreciate knowing immediately that no effort was put into writing an article and that no effort is worth being put into reading it. I genuinely (hah) think it's good that different llms have distinct voices when writing. It doesn't bother me when using it for coding because ok that's just how Claude talks, and in the wild seeing folks present claudeslop as their own writing is a really nice really quick quality/effort signal. Adding another step to the prompt doesn't mean whoever generated this report actually out any more real effort into making sure this is any good
    • Majromax 1 hour ago
      In my view, it's not so much the writing style itself as the lack of 'taste'. Text that clearly seems AI-written has a flat level of exuberance that's just exhausting, kind of like a written version of the 'loudness war'.

      Without some kind of dynamic range, I find myself having to do a lot of work to infer what points are truly important versus what are at best interesting implementation details.

    • VulgarExigency 1 hour ago
      You're right to push back on that. The honest truth is that the slop is load-bearing.
  • arjie 1 hour ago
    The content is unreadable. No comparison to the underlying model. Massive text expansion. Hard to tell if the numbers are real or entirely hallucinated SEO slop.
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    • kgeist 1 hour ago
      The article is AI-written as well, with all the "honest problems" and "real weak spots". The code must be AI-generated too, so without a human properly verifying it, I can't take the project seriously. It may just be AI hallucinations congratulating themselves on imaginary achievements.
    • jszymborski 1 hour ago
      As is this whole blog post... Very grating prose