14 comments

  • toplinesoftsys 56 minutes ago
    The biggest problem is not that bugs are migrated with COBOL, but that lots of new bugs are going to be introduced. AI is not deterministic, it will be making tons of mistakes. The only realistic low-error approach is incremental step-by-step migration using Cursor or similar tools. However, it requires much more time as each step must be prompted, tested and committed manually. Any hope that one-shot migraton of a large code base will not introduce enormous number of bugs is very naive. LLM is very bad on handling long context - it is their nature unfortunately. There is no answer to this problem yet.
    • dragonwriter 2 minutes ago
      > The only realistic low-error approach is incremental step-by-step migration using Cursor or similar tools.

      Correction: AI is not deterministic, the only realistic low-error solution is not a more complex use of non-deterministic AI, but deterministic transpilation.

      The problem is that this results in COBOL-in-Java which runs correctly but it is a nightmare to maintain.

    • selcuka 17 minutes ago
      > AI is not deterministic, it will be making tons of mistakes.

      From the paper:

      > The COBOL source is passed through an internal deterministic Migrator to produce a generated Java target.

      Also, humans are not deterministic either. Give the same COBOL -> Java translation to multiple developers and each will come up with a different solution. Heck, even the same developer will produce a different output for the same task, depending on the day of the week.

    • red75prime 16 minutes ago
      > AI is not deterministic, it will be making tons of mistakes.

      Just set the sampling temperature to zero and remove any unintended non-determinism during the parallel computation of the token probability distribution. The problem is solved? Of course, not. Non-determinism has little to do with LLMs' mistakes.

    • JV00 15 minutes ago
      You don’t need the entire codebase in context in every moment to migrate it. Also AI being non deterministic does not prevent it from one-shotting perfect solutions 100% of the time for simple enough problems. And every model generation brings this bar higher. So that’s really not a fundamental problem. And we can also implement llm inference deterministically if we want, it’s just that it’s not worth the loss in performance to do it.
    • pinkgolem 41 minutes ago
      Does it? I found llms to be great for straight conversions

      At least if tescoverage is good, but well... That's something llms can also be used for

  • pjmlp 11 minutes ago
  • pacaro 1 hour ago
    The largest test case was 4kloc.

    There are hundreds of billions of lines of cobol in production.

    The IRS alone has approx 160 cobol programs, averaging 230kloc each.

  • aldente0630 20 minutes ago
    As I understand it, the translation isn't done by an LLM but by a deterministic AST-based migrator. Also, carrying over the bugs is the stated goal.
  • Surac 24 minutes ago
    How does ai implement all the not Cobol parts a Cobol program rely on? Job Contol, CICS, sort processors? Cobol and mainframe technologies are non existant in java on any modern machine
  • madduci 1 hour ago
    I remember a similar story shared this year at JAX2026 from the Sparkasse Group, they said they were using AI to migrate from COBOL, but they still were in the middle of the migration. Maybe they faced the same issues / problems? It seemed pretty zealous to me, that everything was working smoothly, but this article highlights the limitations
  • bigbuppo 43 minutes ago
    COBOL will never die. Whatever this is will only result in more COBOL being written.
  • hexasquid 50 minutes ago
    To IBM

    As specified, please find 99997 correct parts and the 3 defects (do not use)

  • fock 52 minutes ago
    300 to 4000 lines of "production like" (whatever that is) cobol code which is easily ported to a non-mainframe env. Our's sometimes uses assembler in its innards, so good luck with real legacy code spanning a dozen files and 50k loc...

    I recently threw in (want to check those intelligence metrics!) some real production code into a non-agentic system (just to get a feel how things perform without a custom harness) and results where ... interesting. The particular program uses some preprocessor no LLM we have access to (newest was GPT 5.5) has any clue about - so they confabulate what it could do (Gemini 2.5 didn't even notice there was a preprocessor...). This is expected of course but it somehow seems the problem of this technology that unless you feed it masses of data or mechanically break up the tasks in rote subunits, it just doesn't do anything sensible still...

  • BigJono 1 hour ago
    Yeah nah maybe fix the bugs before swapping the average COBOL dev for the average Java dev.
    • nicman23 1 hour ago
      sometimes if the bug exists for enough time it is intended behavior
      • tapland 1 hour ago
        Absolutely, and you'll have all kinds of fixes for the symptoms throughout the project.

        COBOL isn't hard, the tooling around it on old systems are a pain though.

        • Maxion 49 minutes ago
          Anything running on COBOL to day is a large enterprise system. You'll have reports running in other systems in subsidiary companies that rely on bugs in the upstream cobol code.
      • surfingdino 1 hour ago
        Indeed, there may even be a whole lot of code that depends on it.
        • wwind123 1 hour ago
          Yeah. Bug-for-bug migration is a real thing in large code-bases in the industry. You want to replicate all behavior of the code regardless whether the behavior is a feature or a bug.

          See Hyrum's Law: https://www.hyrumslaw.com/

        • nkjoep 1 hour ago
          Yep, and when it’s about money you don’t want any unexpected.
    • vrighter 22 minutes ago
      hyrum's law applies here
  • anthk 33 minutes ago
    COBOL is not about the language, it's about the whole environment in the mainframe. LLM fanboys won't understand this. You need something like a mainframe with a 99.99% uptime no matter what happens in hardware, with live CPU swapping and such.
    • jjmarr 9 minutes ago
      Erlang/Elixir/OTP has a resilient environment with hot swapping. Is that truly problematic?
    • raverbashing 28 minutes ago
      Yes and that mainframe runs several other technologies besides COBOL, and more importantly, that don't depend on it (COBOL fanboys won't understand this ;) )
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