Physicists Solve a Muon Mystery. Now, Old Results Don't Add Up

(quantamagazine.org)

70 points | by ibobev 1 hour ago

3 comments

  • lokimedes 47 minutes ago
    Glad I didn’t spend the last ten years on that problem! As my CERN advisor suggested :)
  • ThrowawayTestr 48 minutes ago
    That's the best part about science.
    • storywatch 1 minute ago
      It's good for the world but terrible for the practitioners in academia. Imagine you are in your last year of your PhD and then something new comes out and completely invalidates/obsoletes your results. Cough natural language processing PhDs during COVID when GPT-3 came around..
    • pavel_lishin 47 minutes ago
      I remember reading the Three Body Problem, and thinking to myself: this is implausible. If scientists started getting weird results, they'd be thrilled, not suicidal!
      • Diogenesian 25 minutes ago
        I believe the alien scientists were depressed by the guaranteed collapse of their civilization, not the difficulty of certain differential equations. So it's more like a doctor getting weird results while working on a cure for a pandemic.
        • glenstein 9 minutes ago
          I'm pretty sure they're referring to scientists on Earth.
      • an0malous 39 minutes ago
        The history of scientific revolutions does not support this view
        • pavel_lishin 34 minutes ago
          How do you mean? I cannot remember any particular scientific revolution where scientists were suicidal, or even particularly crestfallen.

          Quantum Mechanics is the closest thing I can think of, where Einstein famously refused to accept some of the implications, and where scientists had great disagreements about things like the Copenhagen interpretation and what it means for the actual nature of reality - but I don't think any of them were sad about it.

          • ceejayoz 31 minutes ago
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Marshall had to drink a beaker of Helicobacter pylori because no one would believe it caused ulcers.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignaz_Semmelweis wound up in an insane asylum for suggesting surgeons should wash their hands.

            Scientists get hidebound just like the rest of us, at times.

            • glenstein 6 minutes ago
              Those are definitely unfortunate examples and I can see how those environments pushed them to their limits. But if we're talking large-scale systematic thinking about what kind of data would be necessary to show that there's such a thing as a typical, characteristic civilization scale negative reaction to scientific revolutions, these don't demonstrate that this is the usual case. Obviously they're important in their own right.

              But also the book doesn't suggest that scientists going missing was just a function of humanity's customary response to scientific progress. In the book, it's a very intentional sabotage campaign.

            • pton_xd 20 minutes ago
              > wound up in an insane asylum for suggesting surgeons should wash their hands.

              Was rejected and mocked by the medical community for his idea, developed a drinking problem and eventually committed to an asylum by his colleagues after having a nervous breakdown. While in the asylum he was beaten by the guards and died from a wound infection ... yikes!!

        • tgarrett 9 minutes ago
          I'm a plasma physicist, and personally I love weird results - new mysteries to solve! That said, there are a wide range of personality types out there. And I would also be extremely surprised if the correct solution to the weirdness is, for instance, that the Maxwell equations are broken in some regimes (other than expected quantum corrections, e.g. the Schwinger limit).
        • jpk 33 minutes ago
          Yeah. In principal, scientists should be excited by weird results. In practice, though, humans are complex creatures with intellectual and emotional inertia. There's an understandable element of dread when you realize your life's work finds itself on shaky ground.
      • black6 19 minutes ago
        They were getting inconsistent results, not just weird ones. However I agree that suicide probably wouldn't be where they would end up.
      • ck2 32 minutes ago
        well maybe depends how fundamental

        if objects you put on a table started falling through the floor it would be a bit stressful

        lol

        but Dr. Becky gets really excited about all the various "crisis in cosmology" because she knows new science/knowledge will emerge from solving those questions

        and you remind me there's another season coming up in that series, can't wait

        "Is he still in the grandmother’s house? We would like to speak to him."

  • colechristensen 20 minutes ago
    I really dislike the writing style of being so "friendly" for people who don't know anything about the space that you obscure what the topic of the article is at all.

    It's a third of the way through the article when "g-2", the problem at hand, is mentioned. Information that should have been shared in the title took a third of the article to figure out.

    • gloryjulio 8 minutes ago
      Yep. This would backfire spectacularly for people just want to know what's going on. They would just dump the article in the llm and ask, 'what problem is this article about'