9 comments

  • PaulDavisThe1st 7 minutes ago
    I personally consider this to be a better intro, albeit in video form:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCsl6ZcY9ag

    This is a more recent paper (2019) that I think is better constructed and more aware of the in-field work than TFA:

    https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7006947/

  • okzgn 16 minutes ago
    The logic that something sounds worse simply by combining dissonant notes is questionable, because music constantly combines elements—notes, chords, even different rhythms—without that necessarily implying displeasure for the listener. Convincing.
    • pier25 13 minutes ago
      "Worse" is definitely a subjective appreciation influenced by culture and personal taste.
  • skew-aberration 9 minutes ago
    I have to highly recommend the book 'Fundamentals of Musical Acoustics' for mathematical/physical explanations of sound and music. Bells having multiple resonant modes, tuning kettle drums, how string materials and plucking methods changes harmonic profiles, why having lots of high frequency harmonics sounds bright (and electric guitars, pianos optimise for this), why sounds without high frequency harmonics sound hollow (nylon strings), virtual pitch, acoustics of rooms, etc.

    My impression is that most sounds have their effect on us due to psychological association with familiar sources of those sounds, and that melody and harmony are fundamentally more subjective - they depend on looser associations with motion, mood, the human voice, the changes and developments of sounds in our environment.

  • brudgers 7 minutes ago
    [delayed]
  • dr_dshiv 11 minutes ago
    Harmony has always been a principle that refers to more than music, let alone chords. Here is a recent review: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S240587262...

    It also refers to the “first” scientific experiment: an empirical test of the generalization of a mathematical model of harmony — from ratios of string lengths to ratios of chime thickness (as recorded by Aristotle’s student Aristoxenus)

  • claiir 11 minutes ago
    Nice. But, is there a less “conversationally” written piece on the subject? In any event, this stuck with me: > Most music theory books are like medieval medical textbooks: they contain unjustified superstition, non-reasoning, and funny symbols glorified by Latin phrases
  • the__alchemist 38 minutes ago
    Check out the 3Blue1Brown video on this topic as well! It goes more in depth on music theory than any music-community one I've seen. (Which tend to be presented as "Here are the rules"; Grant, like this article, goes into the "why"; a step below. With great visuals, of course!
  • atoav 37 minutes ago
    A good overview on the topic.

    My general issue with things like these is the simple fact, that as a lifelong musician I find the "less worse" harmonic combinations (to quote the abstract) often very boring. Aside from great composers like Bach et al I find the harmonic relationship of the notes played one of the least interesting aspects of the music, and expression, timbre, rhythm, phrasing much more important and noteworthy. A set of great musicians can play a single note for minutes and get it to sound amazing, this has always fascinated me more.

    Music theory IMO has historically a too strong focus on the harmony (or the lack thereof) between notes. Not that it isn't important, but with some texts you get the feeling it wouldn't matter to the authors whether the piece was heard expressively played on a grand piano or cut together from equal leveled sine waves.

    In my experience harmonies are greatly influenced by the relative levels of the notes and the overtone content within each note, to a degree you can make a supposed "harmonic" chord sound bad and a supposed disharmonic one sound good.

    • diydsp 17 minutes ago
      A professor taught us genre is defined by how you resolve dissonance...

      And dissonance has cultural and physiological components...

      And other traditions focus on rhythm over harmony...

      That said this looks like a good introduction.

      • PaulDavisThe1st 14 minutes ago
        That's a great line from the professor. Really great.

        Also, other traditions focus on melody over harmony (e.g. Carnatic and Hindustani), although they have to consider harmony as a by-product of polyphonic music (i.e. more than 1 instrument).

    • antonyt 22 minutes ago
      Do you have any examples of "a single note for minutes and get it to sound amazing"? I'm finding this difficult to imagine. A lead voice doing this while some accompaniment is changing chords underneath makes sense to me, but then you're back to harmonic relationships.
      • brudgers 1 minute ago
        [delayed]
      • dgellow 11 minutes ago
        Half joking, but Berlin techno :)

        You can have a whole set developing motifs, then multiple minutes of a single note being played in the middle, and somehow that sounds awesome (if you’re into it)